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		<title>By: Bernadette</title>
		<link>http://www.girlsandgaming.com/2009/04/shes-just-not-that-into-you/comment-page-1/#comment-73732</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernadette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a 20 year old non-gaming female who is married to a life-long gamer.  Honestly, it has really caused a lot of problems in our marriage.  I really have no interest in gaming, but my husband brought up the fact that I haven&#039;t tried every kind of game and that maybe I could find one I like, and I think he&#039;s right.

I grew up being forced to play Nintendo 64 by my older brother, and ALWAYS losing, but even he wasn&#039;t much of a gamer, though.  That 64 is still the most recent game console he owns.  Not having any knowledge of --and certainly no skills for-- video games, the whole thing is a little overwhelming.

I feel I&#039;m mostly put off by video games for a few reasons:
-I suck at them.  Every one of them.  No matter what.  Lol
-I don&#039;t feel like I&#039;ve accomplished anything worthwhile afterwards.
-They&#039;ve caused problems in my marriage.
-I don&#039;t know where or how I could start.

I find Wii obnoxious.  I have played hours of it with friends at parties and such, any have never once enjoyed it.

I&#039;m also not much of a girlie-girl, so as someone mentioned prevoiusly, I&#039;m not drawn to the pink-and-glittery campaign.

This is a great article and I really liked reading the responses. I&#039;m thrilled to hear that there are people and companies that are working to promote gaming to people like me, who are willing to try it out, but completely lost.  :S

Also, if you have any suggestions for me to try, please, please let me know.  Haha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a 20 year old non-gaming female who is married to a life-long gamer.  Honestly, it has really caused a lot of problems in our marriage.  I really have no interest in gaming, but my husband brought up the fact that I haven&#8217;t tried every kind of game and that maybe I could find one I like, and I think he&#8217;s right.</p>
<p>I grew up being forced to play Nintendo 64 by my older brother, and ALWAYS losing, but even he wasn&#8217;t much of a gamer, though.  That 64 is still the most recent game console he owns.  Not having any knowledge of &#8211;and certainly no skills for&#8211; video games, the whole thing is a little overwhelming.</p>
<p>I feel I&#8217;m mostly put off by video games for a few reasons:<br />
-I suck at them.  Every one of them.  No matter what.  Lol<br />
-I don&#8217;t feel like I&#8217;ve accomplished anything worthwhile afterwards.<br />
-They&#8217;ve caused problems in my marriage.<br />
-I don&#8217;t know where or how I could start.</p>
<p>I find Wii obnoxious.  I have played hours of it with friends at parties and such, any have never once enjoyed it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not much of a girlie-girl, so as someone mentioned prevoiusly, I&#8217;m not drawn to the pink-and-glittery campaign.</p>
<p>This is a great article and I really liked reading the responses. I&#8217;m thrilled to hear that there are people and companies that are working to promote gaming to people like me, who are willing to try it out, but completely lost.  :S</p>
<p>Also, if you have any suggestions for me to try, please, please let me know.  Haha!</p>
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		<title>By: Girly Tech</title>
		<link>http://www.girlsandgaming.com/2009/04/shes-just-not-that-into-you/comment-page-1/#comment-72008</link>
		<dc:creator>Girly Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although there are some girls who have been able to infiltrate the gaming world, many girls out there just feel it&#039;s not something they are invited to. Often the perception is girls on dolls and boys on computers, it&#039;s the early childhood imprinting that is incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although there are some girls who have been able to infiltrate the gaming world, many girls out there just feel it&#8217;s not something they are invited to. Often the perception is girls on dolls and boys on computers, it&#8217;s the early childhood imprinting that is incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: digital@ngel</title>
		<link>http://www.girlsandgaming.com/2009/04/shes-just-not-that-into-you/comment-page-1/#comment-47221</link>
		<dc:creator>digital@ngel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 16:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Chicago and missed this forum :(, would have loved to have gone.  I&#039;m in my 30&#039;s and Female Gamer since the 80&#039;s. As such I am quite familiar to the Nintendo brand, but probably a rare breed because of my age.  

I can say that I do love a game that is geared at women as the protagonist, I.E. Tomb Raider and Blood Rayne, but certainly don&#039;t base the majority of my gaming money on the female targeted content.  I haven&#039;t had a hand held gaming system since the Sega Game Gear, my HTC Touch Pro 2 can play enough games (it has flash too) for on the go.

I am a bit tired of every game lately, PC, Console or otherwise,  being just a shooter or WOW ripoff with different guns or wands.  RPG, Strategy &amp; Adventure are my speed now- the genres that require more of the mind and less of the thumbwork- hell I&#039;m getting old and the carpal tunnel is setting in.  

Nintendo has a great brand for kids and getting in motion, but what it truly lacks that my X gen Peers want is RPG, Strategy and Adventure titles.  I was disappointed in games like Opoona &amp; Zelda for the Wii and have stuck more to my PC and PS3 for heavy purchases. 

Games like Dragon Age Origins have really drawn me in. Dragon Age has great personalization immersion and story variations that prompted me to play it over and over AND buy expansions- something I rarely do.

IMHO if brands like Nintendo want to grab more of the Gen X &amp; Y Women that will pour money in they need to focus  on:
-Phone Apps, not the DS, I don&#039;t want to game on something that can&#039;t answer my work email.
-Gen X/Y Daughters of highschool+ age (which Nintendo does to an extent)
-Create some good/beautiful thinking RPG style games with multiple personal interaction levels that immerse the user in a different life, because really, at the end of the day we all just want a place to get away to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Chicago and missed this forum <img src='http://www.girlsandgaming.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> , would have loved to have gone.  I&#8217;m in my 30&#8217;s and Female Gamer since the 80&#8217;s. As such I am quite familiar to the Nintendo brand, but probably a rare breed because of my age.  </p>
<p>I can say that I do love a game that is geared at women as the protagonist, I.E. Tomb Raider and Blood Rayne, but certainly don&#8217;t base the majority of my gaming money on the female targeted content.  I haven&#8217;t had a hand held gaming system since the Sega Game Gear, my HTC Touch Pro 2 can play enough games (it has flash too) for on the go.</p>
<p>I am a bit tired of every game lately, PC, Console or otherwise,  being just a shooter or WOW ripoff with different guns or wands.  RPG, Strategy &amp; Adventure are my speed now- the genres that require more of the mind and less of the thumbwork- hell I&#8217;m getting old and the carpal tunnel is setting in.  </p>
<p>Nintendo has a great brand for kids and getting in motion, but what it truly lacks that my X gen Peers want is RPG, Strategy and Adventure titles.  I was disappointed in games like Opoona &amp; Zelda for the Wii and have stuck more to my PC and PS3 for heavy purchases. </p>
<p>Games like Dragon Age Origins have really drawn me in. Dragon Age has great personalization immersion and story variations that prompted me to play it over and over AND buy expansions- something I rarely do.</p>
<p>IMHO if brands like Nintendo want to grab more of the Gen X &amp; Y Women that will pour money in they need to focus  on:<br />
-Phone Apps, not the DS, I don&#8217;t want to game on something that can&#8217;t answer my work email.<br />
-Gen X/Y Daughters of highschool+ age (which Nintendo does to an extent)<br />
-Create some good/beautiful thinking RPG style games with multiple personal interaction levels that immerse the user in a different life, because really, at the end of the day we all just want a place to get away to.</p>
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		<title>By: I am a New Man</title>
		<link>http://www.girlsandgaming.com/2009/04/shes-just-not-that-into-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30231</link>
		<dc:creator>I am a New Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about gender in gaming.  I did a quick search for articles about girls in gaming, and found this article.  The author, a girl, drops a few reasons that girls aren’t as into gaming as guys, suggested by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rika</title>
		<link>http://www.girlsandgaming.com/2009/04/shes-just-not-that-into-you/comment-page-1/#comment-26259</link>
		<dc:creator>Rika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One mistake I think people make when trying to market games to women is trying to gloss over the concept of gaming with a layer of pink, girley &quot;Barbie-ness.&quot; As if they think they can sell us anything as long as its packaged in a non-gender role threatening, acceptably feminine way. It makes me think that instead of looking at how gaming &quot;caught&quot; the girls it has, they are just trying to set out bait for those they don&#039;t have. Look at the sucesses, and try to recreate those conditions!
  
  Of the girls I know who routinely put money into the gaming industry, I cannot think of ever hearing one say she liked a game because it was aimed at girls, or because it had X thing which could be considered stereotypically feminine.

 We like games that are good! What good is varies from girl to girl the same way it would from dude gamer to dude gamer. Some of us like storylines, some of us like neat ways to smash zombie skulls, some of us like shooting things with better graphics than the last things we shot. And so on and so forth. If anything, games seem to fare better with girls not when they try to include us, but when they don&#039;t try to exclude us. As in, don&#039;t give us female characters who are basically one dimensional idiots! Don&#039;t treat us as if we are only interested in shopping and and lipstick, and don&#039;t treat us as if we&#039;re all the same, either in game or in marketing. 

  And then there&#039;s the other thing.. some people (some females and some males) just aren&#039;t video game personalities. My sister, who is also my life-long partner in crime, is just not. She listens to my babble about it but only holds fondness for Space Quest IV and Mario. And its not because she&#039;s uncomfortable bending gender roles... she hates talking about feelings and loves drinking hot straight Jose Cuervo. She just doesn&#039;t have the personality type to really enjoy or spend money on games. 

 There are just some people who will never be gamers because gaming doesn&#039;t appeal to them. Why aim marketing at the small percent who are very far from being gamers and try to convince them gaming is something different than it used to be? Don&#039;t put out &quot;girly bait&quot; to try to hook the girl who stereotypical girliness apeals to.. instead lure in women who already have interests that are gateways to gaming... there are actually a ton of them out there. 

  That said, its nice when the gaming industry aknowledges women. It just seems sometimes thier attempts at it reinforce or are based on outdated gender stereotypes and expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One mistake I think people make when trying to market games to women is trying to gloss over the concept of gaming with a layer of pink, girley &#8220;Barbie-ness.&#8221; As if they think they can sell us anything as long as its packaged in a non-gender role threatening, acceptably feminine way. It makes me think that instead of looking at how gaming &#8220;caught&#8221; the girls it has, they are just trying to set out bait for those they don&#8217;t have. Look at the sucesses, and try to recreate those conditions!</p>
<p>  Of the girls I know who routinely put money into the gaming industry, I cannot think of ever hearing one say she liked a game because it was aimed at girls, or because it had X thing which could be considered stereotypically feminine.</p>
<p> We like games that are good! What good is varies from girl to girl the same way it would from dude gamer to dude gamer. Some of us like storylines, some of us like neat ways to smash zombie skulls, some of us like shooting things with better graphics than the last things we shot. And so on and so forth. If anything, games seem to fare better with girls not when they try to include us, but when they don&#8217;t try to exclude us. As in, don&#8217;t give us female characters who are basically one dimensional idiots! Don&#8217;t treat us as if we are only interested in shopping and and lipstick, and don&#8217;t treat us as if we&#8217;re all the same, either in game or in marketing. </p>
<p>  And then there&#8217;s the other thing.. some people (some females and some males) just aren&#8217;t video game personalities. My sister, who is also my life-long partner in crime, is just not. She listens to my babble about it but only holds fondness for Space Quest IV and Mario. And its not because she&#8217;s uncomfortable bending gender roles&#8230; she hates talking about feelings and loves drinking hot straight Jose Cuervo. She just doesn&#8217;t have the personality type to really enjoy or spend money on games. </p>
<p> There are just some people who will never be gamers because gaming doesn&#8217;t appeal to them. Why aim marketing at the small percent who are very far from being gamers and try to convince them gaming is something different than it used to be? Don&#8217;t put out &#8220;girly bait&#8221; to try to hook the girl who stereotypical girliness apeals to.. instead lure in women who already have interests that are gateways to gaming&#8230; there are actually a ton of them out there. </p>
<p>  That said, its nice when the gaming industry aknowledges women. It just seems sometimes thier attempts at it reinforce or are based on outdated gender stereotypes and expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: squazzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>squazzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 03:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that as more women actually start working behind the scenes- that is, making games- it will open up the whole thing more then marketing ever could. Its just a different perspective from the get-go that we have that I think would make games better, just as when women started writing, making films, etc.

The other side is what Sylvie mentioned. I have to add, too, that girls play with boys and the guys &quot;take it easy&quot; on her &#039;cause she&#039;s a girl. I got it even with my guy friends back in high school, and I played games with them all the time!

I don&#039;t know many non-gamers, guys or gals, since its just a big hobby of mine so my close friends are even casual gamers.

I grew up with it. My parents played Coleco when my mom was pregnant with me, so I never had my parents telling me I couldn&#039;t play because I wasn&#039;t a boy. (I think that could also be a reason too, why lots of girls stray away from it.) 

Good article by the way, its interesting to see how gaming companies are dealing with getting more girls into gaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that as more women actually start working behind the scenes- that is, making games- it will open up the whole thing more then marketing ever could. Its just a different perspective from the get-go that we have that I think would make games better, just as when women started writing, making films, etc.</p>
<p>The other side is what Sylvie mentioned. I have to add, too, that girls play with boys and the guys &#8220;take it easy&#8221; on her &#8217;cause she&#8217;s a girl. I got it even with my guy friends back in high school, and I played games with them all the time!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know many non-gamers, guys or gals, since its just a big hobby of mine so my close friends are even casual gamers.</p>
<p>I grew up with it. My parents played Coleco when my mom was pregnant with me, so I never had my parents telling me I couldn&#8217;t play because I wasn&#8217;t a boy. (I think that could also be a reason too, why lots of girls stray away from it.) </p>
<p>Good article by the way, its interesting to see how gaming companies are dealing with getting more girls into gaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate how some girls play games just because they think that guys will be like &quot;oh, you play games? that&#039;s soooo hot.&quot; I think that a lot of the discrimination that girls get on gaming forums is because most guys have encountered the girl who pretends to like games just so they can be the sole female in a male-dominated group (and inevitably get a lot of attention).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate how some girls play games just because they think that guys will be like &#8220;oh, you play games? that&#8217;s soooo hot.&#8221; I think that a lot of the discrimination that girls get on gaming forums is because most guys have encountered the girl who pretends to like games just so they can be the sole female in a male-dominated group (and inevitably get a lot of attention).</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Risky</title>
		<link>http://www.girlsandgaming.com/2009/04/shes-just-not-that-into-you/comment-page-1/#comment-8315</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Risky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also not a fan of girls getting into gaming solely as a flirting tactic. Why not just play games because they&#039;re fun?

Isn&#039;t it so funny how boys&#039; opinions change as they grow up? I got made fun of, too, but now my friends think it&#039;s cool that I play video games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also not a fan of girls getting into gaming solely as a flirting tactic. Why not just play games because they&#8217;re fun?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it so funny how boys&#8217; opinions change as they grow up? I got made fun of, too, but now my friends think it&#8217;s cool that I play video games.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Risky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Risky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a little bit superficial, but I think that&#039;s more of a marketing/branding thing than a gamer thing. Despite this, I thought it was really great that a game company was putting on an event for 20something women -- it&#039;s about time gaming got exposure as something that&#039;s chic and exciting.

I also agree with you on that second point - I think younger girls are getting into games without the same stigma that existed in the 80s and 90s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a little bit superficial, but I think that&#8217;s more of a marketing/branding thing than a gamer thing. Despite this, I thought it was really great that a game company was putting on an event for 20something women &#8212; it&#8217;s about time gaming got exposure as something that&#8217;s chic and exciting.</p>
<p>I also agree with you on that second point &#8211; I think younger girls are getting into games without the same stigma that existed in the 80s and 90s.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comming from myself, i&#039;ve been a gamer girl since i was practically born and i have come to realize i feel alot of girls are willing to give gaming a chance - but some use it as a tool to make men think their attractive. Which is horrible, i was just having this discussion earlier that gamer girls are gamer girls and don&#039;t care about what others are doing. 

And i totally agree with Dope Kitten&#039;s comment, back then you were looked at odd, i grew up being called a lesbian because i did what they catagorized as &quot;male&quot; and people always used the gender role against me - extremely funny because now i&#039;m a girly girl who owns a makeup site and who still does guy like things, i still game and i&#039;m still willing to get dirty and now men find it sexy, go figure!

btw doll of war, excellent excellent site. i commend you for you work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comming from myself, i&#8217;ve been a gamer girl since i was practically born and i have come to realize i feel alot of girls are willing to give gaming a chance &#8211; but some use it as a tool to make men think their attractive. Which is horrible, i was just having this discussion earlier that gamer girls are gamer girls and don&#8217;t care about what others are doing. </p>
<p>And i totally agree with Dope Kitten&#8217;s comment, back then you were looked at odd, i grew up being called a lesbian because i did what they catagorized as &#8220;male&#8221; and people always used the gender role against me &#8211; extremely funny because now i&#8217;m a girly girl who owns a makeup site and who still does guy like things, i still game and i&#8217;m still willing to get dirty and now men find it sexy, go figure!</p>
<p>btw doll of war, excellent excellent site. i commend you for you work!</p>
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		<title>By: Dope Kitten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dope Kitten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  I&#039;m shocked and yet not shocked to hear about the &quot;Girlfriend&#039;s Guide to Gaming&quot; social event.  I&#039;m sad they seemed to make it so superficial though, but I suppose we can at least give the girls some credit for trying to get to know the other side?

lol

I feel like the divide between gamer girls and non gamer girls is closing, and mostly relegated to older generations.  Young teens these days seem to be picking up on a wider variety of non-gender specific hobbies that, back when I was growing up, were much more clearly divided.  I grew up interested in video games and ice hockey, and I was looked on as an odd-ball quite a bit.  Now it&#039;s a bit more natural, though the divide is still there.

I think it will keep closing though, or at least we can hope!

Great article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I&#8217;m shocked and yet not shocked to hear about the &#8220;Girlfriend&#8217;s Guide to Gaming&#8221; social event.  I&#8217;m sad they seemed to make it so superficial though, but I suppose we can at least give the girls some credit for trying to get to know the other side?</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>I feel like the divide between gamer girls and non gamer girls is closing, and mostly relegated to older generations.  Young teens these days seem to be picking up on a wider variety of non-gender specific hobbies that, back when I was growing up, were much more clearly divided.  I grew up interested in video games and ice hockey, and I was looked on as an odd-ball quite a bit.  Now it&#8217;s a bit more natural, though the divide is still there.</p>
<p>I think it will keep closing though, or at least we can hope!</p>
<p>Great article!</p>
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